Todd Kobrin of Oddsium talks about his long list of experiences in the iGaming space, plus shares some thoughts on where Oddsium fits into the US sports betting ecosystem.
Ryan Knuppel
What’s up everyone? Ryan Knuppel here. Knup Sports Show episode 155, I believe. We are rolling right along. Super excited to have another guest with us today. I’ll introduce him in just a second. I’m excited to dive into his story a little bit. First of all, thank you all for tuning in, watching the new sports show and supporting it. Hope you’re doing well wherever you’re at. Lots going on in the sports betting industry here in the United States, so always something to talk about.
If you want to talk to me, I’m Ryan Knuppel out on LinkedIn or anywhere, you can shoot me a message and chat from there. But today is not about me, today is about our special guest and I’m going to bring him on right now. We got Todd Kobrin. Todd Kobrin of Oddsium. How are you, Todd?
Todd Kobrin
Great. Very good Ryan. Thanks for having me, and also congratulations on over 150 podcasts. That’s an amazing success, so keep it up. And I heard with your new thing with the betting superstore, love the idea. Obviously we have to ring you up, maybe with some video content production. I heard about that, so very good. Actually, it’s funny, that was my background, before I got into this crazy business, was sports television.
Ryan Knuppel
Really? That’s interesting. That’s awesome. Well, thank you. I mean, I appreciate the props there, but today is not about me, today is about you Todd. I want to hear a little bit about yourself. Tell us about your background and what kind of led you to where you are today.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. Well, I mean, I grew up in Las Vegas, where I’m talking to you from, and my father was in the hotel gaming business. So, growing up at the table, he would talk about casino edge or handle or what was happening, so it was kind of in my DNA, I kid of grew up. Actually, about five or six doors down, Frank Rosenthal was our neighbor. It was a small town back then, and as we know, he invented the movie Casino, which was not the true story, but don’t I want to get into that. He sort of invented the modern day sport book at the starter.
It was kind of always in my DNA, and I ended up going to the undergrad University of Southern California and I got into sport, broadcast journalism was my major. And I ended up interning for the Kings and the Lakers, and one of the producers there got to like me took me with him. He got a gig with ESPN, and we went to Europe and covered tennis and Formula One and everything. I ended up, the very last event, it was a Davis Cup and I met my wife, who was a host at the event. I ended up moving to Munich, Germany and this brand new sports network kind modeling itself after ESPN but for the German speaking market was starting, and I was in charge of all the US sports.
So I brought the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL all over to Europe. We had NFL Europe and I was the executive producer of that. And back in about 2004, the thing called Sports Hell, it used to be in Monte Carlo, where you buy all the sports rights. It’s a convention for sports rights, and I said, “Oh, there’s this thing, poker,” and this guy, Barry Hern was doing billiards and all this stuff. He was kind of the inventor of that, and at the time, the UK was the beginning of online gaming. That was where it all started, the Mecca or Jerusalem, if you will.
And I said, “This is pretty interesting.” And no one knew in my production company what poker was. And I said, “Yeah, I used to grow up. I’d play a lot of poker.” We’d wake up at one in the morning, a friend of mine who’d be at the poker card room call, and say, “All these tourists are drunk, just come over,” you’d play super solid poker and you’d make a couple hundred bucks, right?
And so I said, yeah, this is good. So I got in charge with poker and this is like 2000 and beginning of 2004 in the German market. So I met all the guys at Party, Bwin, poker stars, and it was very similar to what it is now. All of them were trying to move into the German speaking market for new revenue streams, just like how it is, I mean, everything repeats itself. I’ve been in this business since basically 2004. I’ve been in it a long time and I’ve launched products with like 40 countries. And so 888 was one of the companies, our network had been bought about two years ago, and the encounters were starting to control the company. So instead of like an eight camera shoot, you could only do five cameras.
You couldn’t fly two days before, to really do good journalism work. You could only go a half a day. So it was getting more tighter, you couldn’t be as creative. And this came along, and I had covered like 10 super bowls, four Olympics, and then poker TV, I could do with one hand tied behind my back, right? And there was this new industry and I kind of felt it. I thought, wow, this thing is going to blow up the internet because at the time you knew at the beginning of online porn, and you could tell that that online gaming were the two biggest revenues streams. It was porn and online gaming, right? So this thing is going to blow up, right? And it’s like a perfect fit. I already have the TV background and the marketing, and I had also about 10 years before that got into masters in Munich, in international business.
So like I said, it was like all coming together. And in my background, knowing gaming, it was just like, I grew up in it, I didn’t have to learn it, right? It was just natural to me, right? And yeah, so I went to go work for 888 and it was before the company had gone public. And then we were moving along and the U.S. was a pretty good market, not as big as Party and everything, but then you remember black Friday, we were public everywhere.
We had to get out, but we only had at the time, we were pretty diversified. We only had about 40% of our revenue as opposed, at the time Party, some of these other guys had like 90% in the U.S.
And then at 888, I was there for close to nine years, had many various senior roles, including I was the guy who sort of invented that whole thing at the WSOP with the flop shot and doing all the players and all that stuff with the caps and all that stuff. And then I was put in charge, 888 only had poker and casino at the time, they wanted to get into sports betting, and so I was the guy who launched our 888sport and then got into live dealer. And then I basically did a lot at the company probably 40 different countries. And my last thing was I brought them, do you remember about in 2013, ultimate gaming was the first regulated gaming site in the United States. The Fratidos.
And then we were trying to get a deal with Treasure Island and Nevada, because it was only Nevada and New Jersey. And then a funny story, we were first going to launch 888 in the United States. We were negotiating for about a year with Trump, the Ivanka and Donald Jr was going to be Trump poker Trump casino and after dealing with these guys for a year, because at the time, 45 of the employees, 25 are attorneys. So trying to do a deal with them, it was very, very difficult. And I didn’t really know the whole history, because I had been living in Europe for like 25 years. And he was very polarizing even back then. This is way before he said he was going to announce the presidency. And at the end, we scrapped the deal because they were too difficult to work with. And then we launched 888 in New Jersey back in 2014 with poker and everything.
And then the Fratidos called me and said, Hey the long lost son of Vegas. I think at the time I was probably one of five Americans who had as much online gaming experience, right?
And he said, you got to come back to Vegas and help us with this thing, ultimate gaming. So my family was living in Munich at the time, but they had always been back and forth because I had family here. I grew up here. So Vegas was kind of like their second home. I wasn’t asking them to go move to like Vietnam or something. They knew like they knew Vegas. So it was good timing because my son was just going into university and my other two sons were just starting high school. So it was great. And they were they grew up bilingual and they have two passports and everything.
So that’s what happened, and I went to work for ultimate gaming. They unfortunately, after only four months, because they were going through a restructuring and they were getting rid of all of their bad debt because they were going to go public again. They closed ultimate gaming, that was unbelievable. Could you have to think if ultimate gaming would’ve been like? And I was telling them that, what had happened was, I’ll tell you the main reason. We were so tied in with the UFC back then because the Fratidos and the UFC, and the Fratidos owned 88% of ultimate gaming. And they were waiting for California, because they had already had the license and the market access in California, and it never happened. It still never happened, right?
And then they just closed it. But they were cool, they took care of me because although I had not worked here, I grew up most of my adult life in Europe, I remember the kind of the higher and fire mentality in the United States as opposed to Europe. So I had a pretty good contract, so they took care of me. And then I did a lot of consulting. I was living in Vegas, did some consulting for MGM and Caesars and worked with pan a little bit. This was all, and then pass the hit. And yeah, so that’s what happened. And then how Oddsium really transpired was when I had launched 888sport back in, this is going back 2012, maybe.
I mean, that’s what’s so funny. Mobile gaming and all this that’s been around forever. And I can say this as an American, we think like we invented it, like we have to call eye game. It’s casino, but we call it eye gaming. It’s inplay betting, no, we call it micro betting. We have to invent names like we invented it.
Ryan Knuppel
But we do in the U.S.
Todd Kobrin
It’s amazing. But the industry’s been going on, it’s been around for like 20 years already. It’s so funny but this is also new, and it’s funny. And all these people, all these people have gotten into the industry cause it’s a cool and it’s a hot industry. So you have all these guys are jumping from different industries to get into it. But they act like they’ve invented it. Maybe I’m sounding like an old man, but it is kind of funny. So after we launched 888sport, and I used Sweden as my test market. And the Swedish country manager there was a guy being there, Crystal Mon, who we stayed friends with for a long time. He went after 888, he went to go work for that fair and some other companies. And then he invented, he was the kind of the founder of Oddsium, and he invented that.
And then we stayed in touch and I’d always give him guidance and what my opinion. Because one of my strengths is I’m pretty good at product marketing. I’ve been pretty lucky. I’ve just kind of made my hobby sports TV and gaming my industry. So anytime I have a problem, I just look at myself in the mirror and I say, what would I like? And probably 90% of the time I’m right because that’s what the customers want, right?
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah.
Todd Kobrin
So I’ve been lucky. I don’t like to get in, maybe I’m a bad salesman. And because if I don’t really enjoy the product or the industry or whatever, I’m not good at it. I have to be totally engaged and committed. You know what I mean?
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah. For sure.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah.
Ryan Knuppel
Man, what a great story. I can tell you’re an industry veteran. I can tell you’re a storyteller as well. That’s what I like about you, Todd, already is that you have stories in this industry that many don’t have because I’ve been around in this industry quite a while as well.
Todd Kobrin
I want to get into some of the old times, and this industry was starting. It was-
Ryan Knuppel
We’ll take those off camera. We’ll take those over lunch sometime. We’ll talk about the bulldog days, and some of those old stories for sure.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. The live dealer days.
Ryan Knuppel
But you’re making it very easy on me here. As a host, you never know how it’s going to go. And you’re just going through everything that I wanted to ask you one by one, you’re just checking them off. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But let’s dive in to Oddsium.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. Sure.
Ryan Knuppel
I really want to spend some time talking about Oddsium and what it is. Thank you so much for kind of going through your past and talking about what you’ve done. Man, some great experiences there, but let’s really dive into Oddsium. What is Oddsium? What’s its purpose. What is it going to play in the market? Tell us a little bit about it.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. So Oddsium, what’s basically what Oddsium, we fall into the, I would say the affiliate marketing space, if you will. So we’re an aggregator. But I mean, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Oddschecker, the original aggregator.
Ryan Knuppel
Sure.
Todd Kobrin
Mm-hmm (affirmative) So we’re like Oddschecker on steroids. So basically what Oddsium is, it’s a unified solution for registration, for log on, for deposit, for bet placement all. So you can have all of your different accounts. So if you have BetMGM, Caesars, DraftKing, and they’re all on one app, and you see the logos, all of the wallets on one thing. And then, oh, thank you, there you go. And so basically, because instead of jumping around and from what I’ve experienced being in this business is what will happen.
And that’s why we’re not in this market yet, it’s fine, because the market’s not mature enough for a product like this. But in any industry, Ryan, as a market matures, think about airlines, hotels, insurance, credit cards, the consumer starts to get a lot more price sensitive, right?
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah.
Todd Kobrin
About what they’re doing, because they understand the game. Right now, everyone, the dumbest play you can do is a parlay, right? The people are eating it up because the operators are selling the lotto ticket mentality, right? And it’s easier in sports because you think you know what you’re talking about, but don’t be fooled. Odd makers have this thing down to a science, I’m in the industry. They don’t make the 5% margin on not knowing what they’re doing. But right now, because they’re pushing parlays and everything, everything’s up at eight, 9% margin.
So Oddsium was invented to be a sports betting aggregator, but making it a lot easier for the user because the good user, right? In this industry you’re working on a 90-10, 90% of your revenues from 10% of your players right?
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah.
Todd Kobrin
And those 10% of players have on average 3.5 different accounts. So they spread their money around usually, right? And what we found, to go after those type of customers make it really simple. One app, you see, oh, boom, boom, boom. And as inplay becomes much more important, because inplay, right now it probably makes about 10% of the handle in the U.S. As it matures, it’ll probably be up around 60, 65%. It’s over 50 in Europe right now, right? So that’s where this app is created for. And on top of that, what we did is we made it almost like a TD Ameritrade.
So you can see, oh, at DraftKings, I’m winning 52% of the time. When I’m betting match, play NBA, all this thing to help you, and we give you all these different stats to make it easier to make your betting. That you’re going to have a little bit of an edge against the house. But what Oddsium is doing is, we’re not really, we’re more of a B2B staff solution. So our plan in the U.S., like we’ve done in Europe is partner with media companies and companies that have data and white labels of solutions. Because I think there’s a lot of media companies or a lot of people who will never be operators. They’re not going to be an operator, and they’re not going to go through that.
But they do see the gold rush, which is happening. They have a database that I think is pretty attuned to sports betting or gaming. I mean, that’s basically everyone over 21, either gaming. So it’s huge. So that’s where we come in. We think we can provide an amazing solution. And on top of that, what we’ve added in the application is a streaming for live sports or for highlights. Because in this industry, and there’s been a lot of studies on this. If a better can actually see an event, so if it’s streamed or if it’s on TV or he’s live, he’s 10 times more likely to have a bet. Because he wants to sweat. It just makes it a lot more. So that’s where we added that. So yeah, we’re pretty excited. I mean, we have a good partner here in the U.S. We partnered with a tribal casino in the U.S., is one of our investors here in the U.S., and that’s what we try to do. In other parts, every country we go to, we try to partner with a local investor.
Ryan Knuppel
That’s awesome. So like where are we at in this life cycle of the product? I mean, are we live, are we in beta, where are we at with it?
Todd Kobrin
Right. With the product, we’re pretty close. I would say by March we should be ready to launch.
Ryan Knuppel
Nice.
Todd Kobrin
Like I said, we were already in Europe, we’ve been live in Europe for two years, but anyone who’s watching Ryan’s podcast, if you think about coming to the U.S., and I’ve launched products in 40 countries, it’s good and it’s bad. It’s good because it keeps out of all of the regulations and all of the geolocation and KYC and, and bogging down the product and everything. It does keep out the bad actors. So that’s a good thing. But for the product and for moving things quickly, it’s just a lot slower. So you do have to understand, and you’re dealing with 50 different countries back in the day when we would launch in Europe or Asia, Switzerland or Austria would just be part of Germany. And Switzerland’s like New Jersey or Pennsylvania.
We wouldn’t even think of it like that big of a deal because it’s too small, you know what I mean? So here it’s like every state has to be. But that’s good. And it is unfortunate, the fact that in my opinion, there has been some really good, I think New Jersey did it well with their regulations and their tax structure. And I don’t know why, I guess they just have to justify their jobs. Everyone has to try to reinvent.
Ryan Knuppel
Do it over again. Yeah.
Todd Kobrin
Nevada, when it comes to the gaming commissions, it’s like the gold standard. If you can be regulated and get a license in Nevada, that should be your ticket and all these other, but they just like have to form these new commissions and it’s ridiculous. It’s so silly because like New York, what were they thinking? I mean, I think it’s amazing and the numbers speak for themselves, but that’s just a play to say. We’re in New York and we have millions of players. I mean, for the operator at the end to make, until they get, because what everyone’s trying to do right now, this is my opinion, is the big play is casino, eye gaming. That’s where your bigger margins are. When this thing starts to, when this stuff settles in five years, I think we’re going to have probably eight, I’d say six to eight national players in this space. And then depending on the region, Florida, the hard rock or Oklahoma, a tribal casino will be a player.
So they’ll probably be six or eight regional players, and then you’re going to have six to eight national players. But when the dust, Ryan, and everyone starts to understand sports betting, you’re going to come down what it’s been like in Vegas for 40 years, it’s a 5% margin.
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah. It’s not there.
Todd Kobrin
So we’re the big margins in is eye gaming? So everyone’s trying to build a database, and then when eye gaming comes in, you cross sell them. And any good operator is an operator that can cross sell probably 30% of their traffic. And so that’s the big play, right? What everyone’s doing. So if they lose money in New York, hopefully, they can restructure when eye gaming ever comes. The tax rate or whatnot, at least the operators, everyone can get their money back.
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah. Well, I mean, like you said, I mean, things repeat itself, right? I mean, that prediction’s based on things that have happened over and over in different areas of the world. I mean, and so I think you’re not far off with that prediction on what’s what we’re about to see.
Todd Kobrin
I mean, but I don’t think that, I don’t think I think when the dust settles, I think say, I would say if to, if I had to put the line of over under, I would probably put my line at 80% of the population by 2025 will have some form of regulated sports betting. And about my over underline for eye game is about 30, I put about 38% of the population.
Ryan Knuppel
I like it. I’ll take the over
Todd Kobrin
On both?
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think so.
Todd Kobrin
All right. On a two team parlay?
Ryan Knuppel
There you go. Oh, parlay. See what the odds are. I’d have to see what the odds are. I’ll go into Oddsium, and check out the line on that. But no. So tell us a little bit about where, I mean, obviously we’re not out here in the us yet, but where will the audience be able to get this? The app in the app store?
Todd Kobrin
Yep. Now like the stories, like the song, if you could make it there anywhere. So we decided we’re going to be launching in New Jersey. We feel New Jersey is kind of, in my opinion, the home of online gaming in the United States. Nevada could been, there were other issues, and we still don’t have mobile. Can you believe that? They just decided to deal for mobile registration for casino, but they wouldn’t do sports betting and it equals-
Ryan Knuppel
What sense does that make?
Todd Kobrin
There’s so much data from so many countries and so many us states now. Over 80% of your handle is mobile. Why would you? But they have mobile. I mean, you can bet mobile, but you have to still go into this.
Ryan Knuppel
They want people in those casinos, they want them in those physical places. I mean, and I get that a little bit. I get that.
Todd Kobrin
I get it too but listen, what’s the most valuable real estate? It’s the home screen of your phone, right?
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah. Sure.
Todd Kobrin
If you have a Caesars sports book, right, and you’re cut into the loyalty program, and the consumer seeing that all day, every single day, they’re going to come into there. And you saw Ryan, what happened in 2021. Vegas boom, human being still want to be with other human beings. Do they want the that experience Vegas had an amazing year, 2021. I mean, it was packed here.
Ryan Knuppel
The metaverse is not quite here, we’re we’re still in this human form, right?
Todd Kobrin
Exactly. Wait, what’s your take on that? I mean, I’m kind of tracking it a little bit and what’s your take on the metaverse?
Ryan Knuppel
I’m super excited about it, but I’m kind of weird in that way where I like technology, I like futuristic things. I mean, I think it’s here, it’s going to come and it’s coming so there’s no stopping it, so you might as well embrace it to some level and, and kind of learn it and be a part of it. Now, is it here yet? No. Just to your point there, people still want the human interaction. I still think that’s going to be a big part of everything. So is it going to completely take over everyone’s life and nobody’s ever going to live outside of the metaverse? I don’t think we’re even close to that point. But is there going to be some element of you and I interacting in the metaverse as well? Probably. Yeah. I think that’s probably coming fairly soon. So I’m excited to see where it goes.
Todd Kobrin
It already happens in sort of a stripped down version, if you look at eSports and different things like that. It’s already kind of happen, it’s been happening for a while. So this is probably just taking it. I think it’s going to be, because that’s already happening. I think it’s more some of these experiences like maybe shopping or checking out an exotic island or a travel thing before you go and really getting more of a sort of a experience. I think that’s how it’s going to be. I think.
Ryan Knuppel
I’m intrigued by it. I enjoy the NFT space and the crypto space and all of that. I’ve enjoyed kind of investing some time into that. So anyway, back on track.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah.
Ryan Knuppel
We could talk about, that’s a whole nother episode.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. I mean. My account on Coinbase has been taking a beating the last month, but I mean big time, but until you sell, you still own everything.
Ryan Knuppel
It’s not a loss or a win until you’ve sold, right? Exactly. Well, cool. Well, Todd, this has been amazing. This is awesome. What else? I mean, what else you want to say? Any last question that we’ve not touch on. So what the main thing is Oddsium, I think, is to everyone who’s listening and usually you have a lot of industry people. Is this is a perfect product and technology to do a white label to get into this sports betting space as an affiliate. Because getting an affiliate license or whatnot is a lot easier than becoming an operator. And if if you’re a media company, if you’re someone who has a lot of data, we can kind of set you up. It’s your brand and whatnot. And you can use, the database that you have or your brand to really kind of get into the sports betting space.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. The affiliate space is a place near and dear to my heart. I love that area. I think it’s kind of an underserved area. I just love everything about the affiliate space. And you’re right, I mean, it is a little easier to get into that space, probably a lot easier than becoming an operator, but it still has its challenges as well. There’s licensing and vendor licensing and all people.
Ryan Knuppel
Oh, of course. Yeah.
Todd Kobrin
There’s a lot. Obviously, there’s some mult giant companies in the industry that, Catina Media and Better Collective and gambling.com, and I could name others. There’s some giants in that space, and these are companies with hundreds and hundreds of millions and big staffs that do a lot of content, building a lot of SEO. They’re very, very fast on getting the deals and paid and everything. So it’s competitive, it’s not an easy industry either, but what I’m saying, if you’re coming from a brand that already has a built in database and a medium of a following, you want to get into the space. I think doing a white label with someone like Oddsium is a great opportunity to, you know what I mean? In an ideal world, right?
Todd Kobrin
Someone like ESPN, right? ESPN is making tons of money taking ads and whatnot. This could be just an added revenue stream. They already have media deals with drafting fans. This could be the ESPN line. It’s all branded, plug it in. And it’s just an added revenue stream. There already have media deals with these guys, and yeah, that’s kind of how we foresee this moving out. Yeah, if you have anyone, we could talk off and talk off and talk after this, I’m sure a lot of people and, but that’s what we’re kind of trying to do.
Ryan Knuppel
Yeah.
Todd Kobrin
We first initially, when you do a startup, there’s always ebb and flows, but after going through this and after raising capital and putting it all together, a lot of lights start to open, doors open up as you go, right? And we’ve just seeing that our company is better, much better set up. So we took the strategic decisions. We’ve already signed two white label deals in Europe. That we’re going to go more as a B2B SaaS provider instead of our own B2B brand.
Ryan Knuppel
That’s awesome. Well, cool, Todd. Well, I won’t keep you much longer. I know this is running up to 30 minutes here.
Todd Kobrin
Oh my gosh. Sorry about that.
Ryan Knuppel
Oh, no, you’re good. We’re going to come on for round two once you guys are launched here in the U.S. in March, and once we see some momentum and things going, you have news. You’re welcome on anytime to come back and give another update. Hey, oddsium.com-
Todd Kobrin
Oh yeah, I’m sorry. I was going to ask if like-
Ryan Knuppel
First of all, let me plug you. Oddsium.com, how are they going to get a hold of you, if they do want to get a hold?
Todd Kobrin
Oh yeah. So yeah, I use LinkedIn a lot-
Ryan Knuppel
Cool. Me too.
Todd Kobrin
So you can find me my name on LinkedIn. You can send me an email, that’s Todd.kobrin@oddsium.com. Send me an email.
Ryan Knuppel
Cool.
Todd Kobrin
And if your friends with Ryan, sometimes you forgot, I heard about this Oddsium thing, you forgot my name, contact Ryan, he’ll set you up.
Ryan Knuppel
Oh, I’ll get them over to you for sure. And we’ll put all those links out in the show notes. Make sure everybody gets over to you for sure. Now go ahead with your questions.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. I was going to say, who do you like in the AFC NFC?
Ryan Knuppel
I think Chiefs and-
Todd Kobrin
Chief’s covered the minus seven?
Ryan Knuppel
I think so. I think Chief’s win big, to be honest with you. I like the Niners. I don’t know why. I’ve been a closet Niners fan all year and I can’t explain it. My oldest son is weird. he’s always like, they’re so boring. They don’t have superstars, this and that. And I’m like, yeah, but they just seem to like do things right. They seem like they’re efficient, I like how they play. I think-
Todd Kobrin
I remember they were a few years ago in the Super Bowl. Yeah, that’s a tough game. I love the under, I like the 46 under, so I have the under and I think the Chiefs are going to destroy the Bengals. I mean, that offensive line is depleted and don’t forget, they sacked boroughs eight times than Titans did, right? But the Titans offense is so horrible that when they would get the ball back, they wouldn’t score. Kansas city can score in 10 seconds. I think the score’s going to be like, I think it’s going to be like 50 to 14 or something.
Ryan Knuppel
Well, we agree on that for sure. I think it’s the end of the borough run here. I mean, I’m excited for them. I have liked them all year, I’m excited for how far they’ve come this year, but yeah, I think it’s the end of the road for sure. I actually think they would’ve had a better shot against the Bills if that would’ve been the match up. But I think the chiefs have, I don’t know, for some reason they’re going to have their number in this one.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. But yeah. But thank you so much. It was great chatting.
Ryan Knuppel
Absolutely, Todd.
Todd Kobrin
Yeah. It was a pleasure. And thanks again for having me, and congratulations on the great success on the podcast.
Ryan Knuppel
Hey, we’re going to get one of those oddsium caps in the betting Super Sports. We got to get that loaded into the store for people to buy. How about that?
Todd Kobrin
Absolutely. Sounds good to me. Let’s do it.
Ryan Knuppel
There you go. Hey, really appreciate you coming on. Thanks again.
Todd Kobrin
Thanks Ryan. Bye-bye. Thank you.
Ryan Knuppel
Bye-bye. All right. That was Todd Kobrin of oddsium. We really appreciate Todd coming on. Man, what a great resource in this industry. Somebody that has a lot of experience, a lot of stories obviously in this space. And so I could listen to that all day. Maybe some they will come on and just do a storytelling session, have a panel, bring on a bunch of people that have been in the industry for a while, and just start talking on camera. I think that’d be amazing. Anyway, that’s enough for today. Thank you so much for tuning in really appreciate everything. Please stay safe out there. If you need anything, I’m Ryan Knuppel K-N-UP-P-E-L ON all the socials or find me on LinkedIn. We’ll have show notes for out on newport.com/show. You can find all the show notes, the links, everything to get ahold of Todd out there as well. All right, take care. We’ll talk to you later. Bye-Bye.
Relevant Todd Kobrin / Oddsium Links
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Learn more about Oddsium on their website.
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You can connect with Todd on LinkedIn.
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